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In-House Outliers: The Legal Operations Podcast

In-House Outliers shares the stories and secrets of those who challenge conventional wisdom of how corporate legal departments should operate.

Meet the host

Alex Kelly is a corporate lawyer and Brightflag’s COO and Co-Founder. After working in leading European law firm Matheson for a number of years, Alex co-founded Brightflag to improve the relationship between in-house legal teams and their outside counsel.

Episode 1

In this first episode, Alex interviews Stephanie Corey, Co founder of Uplevel Ops and CLOC. You’ll learn from Stephanie about her successes and lessons learned in legal operations and what she thinks are the most important qualities to building a successful career in legal ops.

Episode 2

In episode two, Alex interviews Tim Casey, General Counsel and Chief Compliance Officer of Numotion. Tim discusses his journey, sharing why he waited to go to law school and how self reflection and learning has been a tool that has helped him to build his career path in law.

Episode 3

In episode three, Alex interviews Mike Naughton, Vice President of Marketing at xMentium and a pioneer in the legal ops industry. Mike shares his path, discussing his early learnings with working with lawyers and the DNA that makes a forward thinking general counsel. He also discusses how to use other industries as inspiration to solve the major problems that legal ops professionals face today.

Episode 4

In this episode, Alex interviews Aine Lyons, VP and Deputy General Counsel, Global Legal Operations at VMware. Aine talks about how she found her calling in legal ops and the biggest lessons she learned throughout her career. She also shares the qualities that she thinks make a great legal ops professional.

Episode 5

In this episode, Alex interviews Mary O’Carroll, Chief Community Officer at Ironclad. Mary needs no introduction, as she is a powerhouse in the legal operations industry. Mary talks about her career path and her advice for legal operations professionals to grow within the industry. She also speaks to what has driven the massive growth of legal operations today.

Episode 6

In this episode, Alex interviews Don Keller, Founder of Joinder. Don shares the reasons he became a lawyer, the benefits Joinder has provided to legal teams, and some of Joinder’s key accomplishments so far.

Episode 7

In this week’s episode, Alex interviews Sheila Dusseau, Head of Global Legal Operations at Ferring Pharmaceuticals. Sheila discusses how she got into legal operations and how her experience in finance has been critical to the success in her career. She also discusses why it’s important to make mistakes and how saying “I don’t know” has been a powerful piece of advice she has received in her career.

Episode 8

In today’s episode, Alex interviews Mike Dineen, Director of Data Science at Brightflag about his unconventional path into #AI. In this episode Mike shares how his perspective on the legal industry before joining Brightflag and what interested him to work in this field. He also shares the impact that #AI is going to have on the next generation of lawyers and the 3 key pillars that he used to build out the data science function at Brightflag.

Episode 9

In this week’s episode, Alex interviews Brenda Hansen and Liz Lugones from UpLevel Ops. Brenda and Liz both share how they got started in their legal operations journey. They also share the importance of mentorship in their careers, and what it takes for legal operations professionals to be successful in 2022.

Episode 10

In this episode, Alex interviews Dr. Sinead Kane, International Keynote Speaker on the topics of disability, law and policy. Dr. Sinead Kane shares her remarkable story into a career in law, the challenges that she faced, and what her internal motivators are that drive her to pursue her goals.

Episode 11

In this episode, Alex interviews Jennifer McCarron, Director of Legal Operations and Technology at Netflix. Jennifer discusses her philosophy of success, responses to failure, and the importance of putting the work into working relationships.

Episode 12

In this episode, Alex interviews Stephanie Hamon, Head of Legal Operations at Norton Rose Fulbright. Stephanie discusses her journey into legal ops, her approach to change management, and how she creates a legal ops strategy.

Episode 13

In this episode, Alex interviews Max Wang, Head of Legal Operations at Waymo. Max discusses lessons learned early in his career, his approach when working with stakeholders and the core responsibilities in a legal ops role.

Episode 14

In this episode, Alex interviews Morgan Smith, Legal Operations Analyst at MongoDB. Morgan discusses her career journey in legal ops, her beliefs on the future of remote work in legal, and a simple trick to build your network with ease.

Episode 15

In this episode, Alex interviews Zachary Rosenblatt, Legal Operations Senior Manager at The Kraft Heinz Company. Zachary discusses the career trajectory that led him into legal ops, the core areas of focus in his legal ops role, and the most impactful D&I projects he’s worked on.

Episode 16

In this episode, Alex interviews Colin McCarthy, CEO and Founder of Legal Operators. Colin discusses his journey into legal operations, why he created Legal Operators, and how to include diversity as a pillar within your legal ops function.